In just a couple of days I’ve got dozens of comments, emails and people reaching out on reddit/skype/slack. Thanks everybody for the great support and feedback!
So, it looks like I’ve been a little selfish and I didn’t think that other designers and creators might be interested in releasing their creations in double-shot MT3. Some of them contacted me and asked to make the legends a bit more “vanilla” so they would be better suited for a wider range of sets and color schemes.
Your wish is my command. I made some changes –notably uppercase modifiers without icons– and I hope in the future we’ll have a whole array of MT3 doubleshot sets designed by all your favorite designers.
There’s still room for improvement and updates. Please keep sending your feedback, share it on reddit, your forum/community, facebook (is that still a thing?), blog, whatever, and let me know your thoughts.
One note about blanks: they are offered as a “courtesy”, it is not clear yet if there will be a blank kit, but surely it won’t be a full blast of keycaps.
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when???????
October 1st
Well, if massdrop doesn’t ship tty1 by then, maybe they’ll let us all switch over. :)
BTW, can you make the function key text color match the modifier keyctext color?
What about function keys > f12?
And Mac-specific keys?
what mac-specific keys do we miss?
Under the extras, add the apple command key.
Also, Apple has > f12 keys across the top.
I’d need f13 – f15
we have command in the base kit, we can’t use the Apple logo for obvious reasons :) I’ll see what I can do about the the >F12. Thanks!
5u spacebar! It’s used on Apple Wireless Keyboard and on laptops.
Will there also be another run of the white colorway at that time?
LOL. I don’t know. Let’s do this first.
Nice updates!
I guess it’s my last chance to beg for R3 control to be part of the base kit :/
Topre boards like the realforce and FC660C come with an extra R3 control, and it’s default for the hhkb. Quite a few people prefer it that way.
Whatever you choose, thank you for your dedication!
I totally want control in the base kit, but it’s all down to pricing. I don’t have the cost for each kit yet. If feasible I’ll include it into the base kit.
Offf, The set is really good… “Oblivion” in an optimal profile. The only concern I have is the shipping. Is it going to be a Massdrop only set? Can I purchase it directly? Massdrop is not a shipping solution for me.
I guess era of waiting years for an SA set comes to an end… Will there be MT3 Retro?
Also being a victim of devtty0, what makes it worth jumping on this one instead of round 2 in 2019?
MT3 Retro would be fantastic :)
are you looking for “special keys” round round-1? Don’t know yet.
MT3 Retro <3
Can we have a stepped capslock which fits standard keyboards like Varmilo and Filco?
Can we have a flex/monotone F-row? It’s a trend these days!
ISO kit needs green shift.
thanks for the heads up!
center stemmed caps would be nice, but I don’t think we can do it this round.
Are all of the keys in the Spacebar kit convex?
yes! they are regular spacebars
Off topic but will there ever be a blank set with the new profile?
in PBT, yes. The next /dev/tty
The new legends look great!
I still wish for a couple more blanks in the ISO kit, especially a couple of R2 blanks.
What style is the bottom row? Like R4 angled from /dev/tty, or R5 flat? Will both styles be included in the final kits like for /dev/tty?
last row is R4 only.
I think I’ll add some blanks in the ISO kit… but to cover most of the languages you’d need really a lot of them (in R1 too)
My understanding is that you designed the profile, but Massdrop paid for and owns the molds that are currently being used for the PBT MT3 sets. If you’re going to be doing doubleshot ABS, that requires new molds, right? Is Massdrop going to be the mold owner and sole vendor for doubleshot ABS MT3? Will the same factory be handling production?
I’ve noticed that the minus/underscore key in the Colemak/Dvorak kit looks different than the same key in the Base set and the Ortholinear set. Is this on purpose? I’d prefer the styling of the others over the one in the Colemak/Dvorak sets.
the right one is the one in the base kit. Sorry about that.
Great update! The uppercase legends look really nice!
Any chance at adding a 1u R4 CMD key to the monochrome kit and possibly adding a monochrome arrows kit? As an ortho user, I was hoping to have all my modifiers/arrows monochrome and just use the accent colors on ESC and ENTER.
Keep up the good work! Can’t wait for this set!
1u CMD (and FN) for sure. Arrows depends on pricing. I’ll know in the coming days.
Could you possibly also add the blue 1u cmd from the ortholinear to the base one?
I’d love to see the Colemak/Dvorak kit expanded – if we add a handful more keys, it can have support for Workman, Norman, Colemak Mod DH and Programmer’s Dvorak as well! :D
The added keys are here – https://vimcaps.com/img/colevrak.jpg
If it’s not too expensive, very gladly
Awesome – thank you!
Thank you for extending Dvorak and Colemak kit. AFAIK this going to be the first keycaps supporting Colemak DH, Workman, and Norman. I’m not sure about Programmers Dvorak, it requires whole bunch of new keys in number row, and they seems not been included. As I already commented at Massdrop, the only thing I personally miss is support of ortholinear variant of Mod DH, so called Colemak DHm. It has “M” is R3 and K in R4, so adding R3 “M” to the kit will cover it.
Just don’t use Massdrop. Otherwise this looks like a fantastic project and I’d support it!
You’re going to make me want to order multiple sets. This is looking good.
Is this drop going to be available in other site like Geekhack?
I want to buy this keycap set but Massdrop doesn’t ship to my country.
Had one more look at how to fill a UHK with these sets. (See https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/layout-and-keycaps) With the base kit, I can populate everything apart from Return, Backslash/VerticalBar, Backspace, left Shift and right Control. (I’d use the ANSI left Shift on the right side.)
Normally, I use the regular Return in place of right Control, but here the modifiers are all R4, so this won’t fit.
With the extras kit, I can do this:
– use the additional 2.25u Shift on ANSI UHK as the left Shift. Great.
– use one of the 1.25u mods on ISO UHK as the left Shift (or buy the ISO kit for the single left Shift key). OK.
– use any of the 1u R4 keys (I am thinking of FN or {}) on ISO UHK for the ISO key next to the left Shift. OK.
– use the 1.75u “shrug” key as Return. That’s actually neat. :)
– use as the R2 Backspace/VerticalBar (or buy the whole Ortho kit only for this single key…) OK-ish.
Still missing:
– no R1 1.5u Backspace. The only key in that profile seem to be the blanks from the Ergo kit.
– no R4 2.25u Control. I could fit another 2.25u Shift key there, but I would have to buy a second Extras kit only for this key.
– no 1.75u space bars (convex).
So the Extras kit gets me half the way, but to make it work better for the UHK it would need at least these keys added:
– R1 1.5u Backspace (or some other label)
– R4 2.25u Control (or blank, or some other label)
Ideally, Extras would also include an R2 1u Backslash/VerticalBar.
Ideally, the space bars would include 2 pieces of 1.75u bars, too. Or the blanks kit 2 pieces of 1.75u R3, and I would use R3 blanks as the space bars.
So what did you finally settle on? I’m in the same boat.
I know that ISO Nordic is not a great seller, but it’s crucial to me, since quite a few symbols are places differently and it nags me when they are not correctly placed :)
Anyway I use the /dev/tty on two boards and I am very pleased with the set!
Can we get any kind of range on prices? Like how much more expensive will this be compared to dev/tty? Double?
Hey ! I really love the MT3 but the the 3u spacebar I received have 2u stabilizers.
Don’t know if this this a QA or a design problem.
how would you like the stabs on the 3u? We made them 2u so it’s easy to source standard stabilizers for them.
An option to get 3u stabs would be awesome (like the black spacebar here: http://tof.cx/image/zh8s9).
Not a fan of the RGB mods in base kit so I’ll pass on this set. Now that text only mods is the only option, will there be icon only mods in the future? And by mods I mean base mods AND the nav cluster.
yeah we may add more in the future
Hmm, could this mean MT3 Godspeed in our universe someday? :o Be it doubleshot ABS or reverse dye-sub PBT, I think you’ll have a winner with that combo!
I just have to say, I loved the look of these keycaps from the first time I saw them (MT3 in general I mean), but now that I finally have a set to type on (am currently), I have to say that I’m not sure I want to use any other profile ever again… To have double-shot ABS in this profile will quite possibly be the only keycaps I will ever use ever again. I hope we get to see some of the big/popular colorways come to double-shot ABS MT3, so thank you for that consideration. No matter what though, these will be my daily driver profile from now on, guaranteed. Absolutely fantastic job, and thank you Matt3o. Really looking forward to backing Susuwatari soon :)
thanks for taking the time to write, Tony. Really appreciated.
Love it. Only minor annoyance is the ortholinear lower and raise keys do not have a consistent style: “LWR” and “RAISE”. Could just follow /dev/tty convention and make it “LWR” and “RSE”. :)
yeah, I thought about that!
Also, possible to get a 1.75U Enter key in the Extras?
for the JD40, right? Let’s see what I can do about it.
Yeah, it seems to be becoming more common in the 40% space. Spent last night designing different layouts for esoteric boards and that was one of the only major gaps I could find. :)
Labels on the 1.5Us for the Ergodox, and 2.25U + 2.75U spacebars would be the only final “major” gaps, but this is first run so I’m not going to push it. I’m super impressed with what I see so far and fear for my bank account. xD
Here’s some mix-and-matching from the sets for a 60% ortho PCB, a traditional 60% and a Minila-ish 60%: https://imgur.com/a/QKoksuI
Any possibility of a R4 Tab in the ortho kit? That would make it absolutely perfect!
So the blanks are offered as courtesy?
It would be great to have Small Blanks/Big Blanks like the ones from /dev/tty, they were great for having a nice quantity ant selection of keys for a reasonable price.
Couldn’t agree more.
Something is up with the 2/commercial-at, and in the UK kit, 2/quote and 3/pound; they do not seem to be the same typeface as the other numbers (Barlow, from the looks of it). It is most obvious at the top of the number 3 which is round unlike the 3 on the numpad; there is a hump in the diagonal of the 2 which is not visible on the numpad.
that is what you get after Brexit! :P
JK, it’s just a rendering glitch
I think the spacing between letters on the modifiers could be a tiny bit wider. Some keys like the caps lock still look a little cramped
Only thing keeping me off any MT3 sets so far is the lack of 2u shift. or at least some 2u r4 of some sorts. Im a total newbie here but how is it a thing that multiple sets have the same 2.25u shift? :( otherwise it looks awesome!
Edit: minila/gk64 compability e.g. 2u shift and a poor man would be saved craving of mt3!
The only R5 keycaps I see are in the ErgoDox kit. Does this mean it’s decided – there will be no option for an R5 bottom row? The spacebar kit isn’t marked, but I assume all the spacebars are R4, correct?
1.75u convex spacebar for UHK plz.
Also why was R4 chosen for the bottom row instead of R5 (flat)? I much prefer the latter as it’s more comfortable. And it would obviate the need to flip the spacebar/bottom row mods that many people are apparently wont to do.
Congrats on hitting 1000+ orders for the base kit!
Why Ergodox keycaps are empty? I love to have some meaningless stuff on those extra keys. Especially that you propose quite few colours for lettering, and Ergo gets only one :(
Even for future caps, I would love anything simple like minicons. Anything seems better than blanks.
it’s a bit complicated with ergodox and doubleshot, but I’ll see what I can do
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