An update on Susuwatari was long overdue, I wish I had better news to give you but I wanted to bring you guys up to speed on the development since (Mass)Drop is not going to (in a timely manner).
Please bear in mind that the following is by no means an official update, this is just my conjecture and opinion. With that out of the way, let’s see where we stand with Susuwatari.
First of all this is a completely different product compared to /dev/tty. Susuwatari is double-shot ABS, we need new molds for every key and it’s an order of magnitude more complicated to manufacture compared to dye-sub PBT.
Up to last February development seemed to be going rather smoothly. We had a lot of things to fix but at least I could see a day-to-day progress. The quality was still not great but Yanbo (from Drop) seemed confident… until he wasn’t.
We already had some of the molds, we already had prototypes, we started picking and fine tuning the colors. But we reached a point where Drop understood that the manufacturer couldn’t pull out the keycap set with the quality we wanted.
So out of the blue they told me that they changed manufacturer and we had to do everything all over again.
I praise Drop’s decision, they did the right thing here. They wanted a quality product even if that meant postponing the release date (by quite a bit). That was the only sane choice to make. If you want to blame Drop, you could blame them for “not seeing that coming”. They will tell you hiccups happen in production, but this is no hiccup, you don’t start a drop if you don’t have a manufacturer you trust. But this is just me. In a kickstarter world it’s pretty common to take people’s money and “que serà serà” (whatever will be, will be).
Now, if you ask me, there are other forces at play here that Drop is not willing to share, especially not with me. I’m pretty sure they don’t really like me and they won’t like this post (as always). Maybe the old manufacturer asked for more money, or more time, or they promised something they couldn’t deliver… well, it doesn’t matter, fast forward to last week.
I finally got a semi-final sketch of how the legends will be injected into plastic. Let me tell you, this time they went great length to make a quality keycap set. I haven’t seen this level of fine tuning with the previous manufacturer. I’m really pleased with that… BUT… We still don’t have the colors finalized and I still have to see a prototype. Basically since February I’ve seen incredibly little progress.
Please rest assured that the product is going to be released and I’m pretty confident the quality will be as good as we all
hope expect, but from where I’m standing I’d be surprised to see a final product before second-half-of-September/October. That assuming all the colors and prototypes are fine at first try.
All I’ve been told is that plastic injection itself is pretty fast. Susuwatari could be on your keyboards just 3-4 weeks after all the kits are greenlighted. In the past Drop released a product without letting me check it first (namely the first /dev/tty), so Drop not letting me see prototypes is not a symptom of a slow development; what I do know is that we still don’t have the color finalized, so at the moment it’s impossible to actually produce the set even if all the molds were done. I don’t know why they are not sending me color samples yet, but the day they will we could finally start the count down.
PS: is it just me or the new “Drop.com” identity sounds… silly? It’s like they wanted it shorter because it’s cool, you know, next will be just DRP.com, because dropping vowels is so Silicon Valley. Oh well, digressing here.
Thank you for the update, as un-popular it might be with Drop… I am constantly baffled by their lack of communication, keeping people up to date that have spent their money is really the least they could do.
I hate to sound naive but are there any plans for other MT3 sets? Seems like they’ve let other designers use the profile but would like to see some of your designs again!
PS: “que sera sera” is the original french ;)
we might run more /dev/tty at the end of the year! or anyway as soon as Susuwatari is delivered. Thanks for your interest.
Hello matt3o, I’m a huge fan of your /dev/tty set! I just thought it’d super cool if we can have a “/dev/null” key (part of novelties or replace “backspace” with it). Please consider it :-)
thanks! that’s a great idea! I’ll include it next time
Great! And credit where credit is due, this idea was first brought up by mongoxbl in the /dev/tty discussion thread on drop.com. Now I just need to save up and patiently wait for R3 ;-)
Would you consider adding tertiary legends to some of the kits? Like what SA Granite does with the red legends on the international and Secondary Legends Kit.
I understand that it would mean dye-subbing the caps twice instead of once though…
this is double shot, not dye-subbed. tertiary legend would mean a new tooling… or triple-shot :) which is rather insane :D
if you are talking about /dev/tty… sure that would be possible. have to think what to actually put as tertiary legend
Any news to share?
I really appreciate the transparency here. I wish Massdrop would do the same. I am okay with waiting if its because they are fighting for a higher quality set. It sounds like Massdrop is definitely making the right decision here and it would serve them better to just be open about the process rather than keeping everyone in the dark.
P.S. I hate the new Drop.com design theme, but I understand the attempt to re-brand away from their normal bulk orders and into more traditional retail.
Thank you so much for the non-official update matt3o!
All in all, despite the disappointment of not getting these during the summer, I’m glad they went with better quality rather than to just have this over with. I think this will be an amazing set, already have two boards lined up for it.
As for (Mass)Drop, there are just too much good stuff being sold there, so until there’s a competitor we just have to deal with it, as long as we get what we pay for.
I agree that I don’t think there would be as much annoyance with Massdrop/Drop if they had just let everybody know that major delays were imminent. A little prevention goes a long way.
The rebranding does seem rather silly, but then I think that about all the silly Silicon Valley/App company names. Actually, Drop is probably both harder to remember and more generic than Massdrop as well. At least other silly company names are unique and easy to remember! Maybe they could have put the effort they spent on the rebranding into providing a more transparent service…
I think they are going to give an official update real soon.
is it possible that new keycaps could have cyrillic legends?
don’t think we will add cyrillic to double shot mt3, sorry
And 2U shift also won’t be in this set I believe?
yeah that’s feasable
Thanks for the update matt30, even if it is just your opinions and personal insight rather than an official declaration. I am glad to see quality is set to such a high standard and dont mind waiting longer for the keys. After all, I have had my current keycaps for less than a year so I still have miles to put on them :p
If “Drop” doesn’t like you they can shove it, your ideas has brought them many customers!
thanks for taking the time to write. Stay tune, next week I’ll have more updates!
Matt, any news to share?
Drop shipped some color samples… to the wrong address. It will take some time for me to get a hold on them. But that won’t delay production. It will take another good 2-3 weeks before we could see some actual keycaps.
Thanks for the update Matt30!
Hi! I missed the initial sign up for this drop. Is there still a way I can join, perhaps if anyone has left?
Were you able to get your hands on those samples? How do they look? :)
Also, thank you for this design, all the hard work to make it happen, and for the updates!
stay tuned, I’ll have some news in a few days.
I saw these keycaps and bought a Kono Kira Stealth just so I could add get them. Great work!
Now its just daily buzzing this and Drop so I don’t miss out on the base kit.
I got the color samples, they need some update but they are mostly fine. I’m now waiting for the first prototype. I should get it in a week or two.
How did the first prototype turn out?
I’ve just seen a few pictures, still waiting for the real deal. I was left to believe that the set would drop in October but I’d say it’s more likely November.
I see! I’m most interested in your personal opinion about how they turn out
The one month either way on the delivery date is less important to me :)
Wow mad respect to matt3o. I’m sure it took balls to post this knowing massdrop is now no better than any other corporation out there trying to steal money from our wallets and sleep with our wives. I was starting to lose respect for all the big name keycap designers because it was looking like they all sold out with massdrop when they became Drop and literally dropped a shit on the mech Keys community that helped build them.
I saw in another comment, is /dev/tty still possibly coming end of year? Man those kits are IMPoSSIBLE to find on mechmarket. I did get myself a Elven kit but couldn’t find an ergo kit if I was selling my kidney for it.
thanks, man! /dev/tty will come back as soon as susuwatari is signed off!
matt3o any news?
Check out his reply yesterday to my comment above
I hop to see more blanks in your drops: I want/need a blank alphas set. Also, any vendors for your profiles in Europe? Thanks from Spain.
*hope (although I am willing to jump and hop around if you grant me my wishes))
blanks are not a problem, but unfortunately I don’t have resellers in EU!
Have you received the prototypes Matt3o? What do you think of them?
Oh, thats odd! Because they posted photos of prototypes two weeks ago on Drop. I hope the reason is that they’re fixing the green color before sending you prototypes
yes, they are making some fixes before shipping a new round of prototypes. I’ve got a tracking number, btw. I believe I should get them next Tuesday.
Drop shipped again to the wrong address (yeah, for the like fifth time in a row)… so now more waiting until I can get my hands on the prototypes.
Woah, that’s almost impressive! But mostly disappointing :(
Im still fully committed into getting my hands on these keys… but this dev time is insane! Must be immensely more frustrating for matt3o…
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