So /dev/tty1 is finally out into the wild, round two is going nice and smooth and it’s time to move on to the next project.
It’s some time we are toying with the idea of a double-shot version of the MT3 keycap profile and it looks like Massdrop has just greenlighted the project.
I mostly worked on dye-sublimation lately, so I was forced on light schemes. You can’t have a legend that is lighter than the background with sublimation (yeah, okay you technically can with negative printing… but let’s leave it for now), so this time around I wanted to go dark!
It will be a loooong journey, each legend needs its own tooling, so we need to design them very carefully. It’s not like dye-sub that you can change the design at any time, this time legends are eternal.
So here below please check the suggested color scheme and the list of available kits. If you like it please share it with friends and send your suggestions now! It will be impossible to change them later, so if you need support for a new keyboard or if you think something is missing (or wrong), please let me know ASAP!
The set will be 100% ABS, but I’m pushing for a PBT spacebar if the manufacturer can match the color!
What about the name again?
Susuwatari is that little Studio Ghibli’s wandering soot. Consider it a homage to my beloved animation studio.
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Wouls love to see an international/Norde set added to that list. Would make the list more complete :-D
possibly next time
Any hint yet, when that will be? Or if?
A NorDe-kit would be greatly appreciated! :)
They are sold out by now :P
We most definitely need an international kit, it’s blasphemous to not have one! :D
Hi! Looks good!
I would love to see:
• ErgoDox kit,
• 5u spacebar for making Apple-like layout.
2nd on the Ergodox layout.
there will be a blank ergodox kit!
hmm, while I hate (wrong) legends, blank is boring. It lacks colors. At some point keyboard.io had a picture where each keycap a big fat dot. While they did this for the backlight, it also looked quite neat.
I like the set a lot! I would be more inclined to see more neutral legends, however. They seem almost yellow to me. Though I understand we might be limited based on the manufacturer and available materials.
colors are not final yet, it is very likely that colors will be slightly muted down.
A 40% kit would make this an amazing set for me. Something that could cover a mechmini or JD45 would be great.
dark MT3 keycaps are awesome! this looks like my dream keycap set.
I think 2.25 and 2.75 are more popular small spacebar sizes. Who uses 3u and 4u?
we don’t have the tooling for 2.25 and 2.75 yet, we will add them in the next /dev/tty drop
I love to see 1.5u Command keys in this set. Many keebs (RAMA, Zephyr) use 1.5u modifier keys. I can’t think of any missing keys.
Are you going to use PBT or ABS? I thought only ABS keycaps can be doubleshot.
ABS but if feasible I’ll try to put a PBT spacebar
More support for 1.5u mods all over would be amazing (not just command but shift, control, etc). Also in my dreams a 9u spacebar
Woohoo! I love the feel of MT3 and would be overjoyed if it can cover my 2.25/1.25/2.75 split spacebar too 😄
I’m using flipped R4 blanks in my /dev/tty rd 2 kit for split space and they work wonderfully. Please consider adding R4 blanks in 2.25/1.25/2.75 to tide us split space users over until the official molds can be made. Thanks!
that’s a good idea. Let’s see if we can add blanks
Don’t forget a R3 1.75u Backspace for minivan support. ;)
I mean R2.
I feel the same., but I’m probably getting in on this either way.
I can imagine some of these might be impossible to do, but my wish list would be:
– R3 1u Backspace
– R2 1u Tab
– Vim kit (HJKL with arrows) <—– want most
Dang am I excited for this set…
for ortholinear?
Yea, R3 1u Backspace for ortho boards that replace caps lock w/ backspace. It’s not just for Colemak anymore ;)
Indeed!
Oops, just realized I said R2 Tab when I meant R4 haha… R2 is already in the ortho kit, which is probably what you were saying.
Is the 6u spacebar for MT3 off-center stem?
Great work once again!
nope, it’s centered.
Thank you so much for the full Ortho set. Would love to see ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on a 2u spacebar for ortho boards. haha.
Not sure I’m sold on the font but that might be just because it’s different than everything else out there. It does seem to harken back to the fonts used on older boards so that’s cool.
I don’t know if this colourway is for me but having just received my MT3 set I know future doubleshot in this profile will be!
Love this! Is MT3 ABS or PBT? also I know this is a long shot but if you can do git modifiers like Oblivion had, that would make this an insta-buy for me.
MT3 is a type of profile.
I mean, profiles usually default to one plastic or another. I’m aware it’s a profile. But to be more clear, I’m asking if this set will be ABS or PBT.
ABS with hopefully a PBT spacebar
Can you have Small/Big blank kits with this again? Much nicer than just vomiting to fill a blank :)
Yeah, definitely a fan of the small and big blanks kits.
The lack of 2.75u and 2.25u space bars in the spaces bars kit seems a bit weird. But looks amazing otherwise.
All Caps Modifiers would make this perfecto
Well, if you have the doubleshot molds, you can make sets with any colors anyway. I’m not a huge fan with light on dark color schemes, but this is still great news for the profile!
Looking forward for more updates.
would you consider just running a normal colorway to begin with? i’d like to support this project but really don’t like the design at all. would be into a white on black set.
yeah I thought about it, but it would be boring :D
maybe run a boring one concurrently? or do you not have to worry about sales numbers to fund the molds at all?
LOL! Fortunately I don’t have to worry. MassDrop has to :)
This is a set I’ve been looking for. I’d love to see an R1 Caps and an R3 red escape.
R1 1u Caps?
“Caps Lock”… replacing the escape key.
I would love to see a dedicated kit for non-ortho 40% boards as well as 1.5U Backspace and Delete keycaps included in either the Base kit or the Extras kit (preferably the former).
I would consider splitting alphas and TKL mods into separate kits and then making the ortho/ergodox sets add-on kits that only contain mods. For those of us that want to support both TKL or ortho/ergodox layouts, having those kits contain a duplicate set of alphas makes the buy far more expensive. This was the exact reason I didn’t join the recent GMK Serika and Space Cadet group buys.
With GMK I know smaller kits are harder to negotiate but hopefully the manufacturer of MT3 would be more open to the idea.
I totally agree with this suggestion. My goal would be to fill an Ergodox, and with the current sets I’d end up with a significant overhead of unused caps. This could easily be fixed by having a separate set for the alphas.
Apart from that, the caps look super cool; I’m excited about the profile and colors.
Hi Matt3o, IMO the base kit should be monotone and a separate RGB kit, similar to how Granite was offered. The base kit render with all the RGBs in it just doesn’t look right to me. And I would like to see the more “muted” version, probably look better than current version. Finally only R4 bottom row this time? Was it decided from dev/tty that it is the preferred choice? From my time with dev/tty0 I used R5 bottom row exclusively and quite enjoy the flatness of it. Keep up the good work and I look forward to more updates from you :)
yes, only R4 unfortunately. It would be too expensive to make the molds for all the modifiers twice. I had to pick R4 or R5. It was hard but I believe starting with R4 makes sense. I hope to be able to add R5 back the next time (2019?).
Regarding the color scheme, it’s a bit too vibrant in the render, but I would really like it to be the default option. I know it’s a bit risky of a decision but I hope it will grow on you!
I actually enjoy the more aggresive R5/A over R4/B for Cherry profile so MT3 R4 should work just fine for me. Colour-wise I’ll wait for the 3D renders to know for sure, but my preference is for the base kit to be monotone and RGB mods in a separate kit. My eyes just can’t take those RGB mods in this darker them set so if I were to use this set, I would never put on the RGB mods :P
Looks fabulous! I’d definitely be in for the ortho and colevrak sets!
Do you have an approximate timeframe for this? I’m guessing it will be at least a year before shipping..? But I’m hoping I’m wrong, because this looks dope!
It will take some time to produce but I feel the drop will start pretty soon
I guess now’s the time to offload my SA sets then!
FYI: I don’t get any notification emails when I get replies on your site, even though I put in my email when I comment. Not sure if I’m supposed to get that, but it would be very convenient, since it’s a bit hard to keep track of.
Well I know what set I’ll be buying next lol! The only thing I would love to see is a sootball key or some Ghibli themed extras in general, but I could see why that probably isn’t possible to do. Can’t wait for the set!
I love that you chose to make the ortho kit be alphas+mods, should make the set a little more affordable since we arent’ buying dozens of keys we cannot use
My feedback and suggestions – the pad lock symbol for Capslock is not very attractive. Also, I’m not aware of any other sets that use “Capslock” as a legend. The Capslock key is really busy and full of information compared to its size. This gets even more noticeable with the strange “Capslck” legend on the smaller caps lock keys. Why not “Caps” or, even better, “Lock”. Why not a double arrow or something instead of a more attention-hogging pad lock image? Also, having a caps lock that takes up two lines for the symbol and text is not a good idea for a keyboard where all of the other mods are single-line-only.
The 1.5u Backspace has a similar issue – too much info in one key. Using a small modifier with two lines of symbol/text would stick out in a keyboard where every other modifier is single-line-only. Also, HHKB layouts don’t use “backspace” since HHKB uses “delete”– it would make sense to change the legend to “Delete” and omit the arrow. “Delete” is more size-appropriate and only takes up one line, like the rest of the modifiers.
I also note the inconsistency of using “Esc”, “Cmd”, and “Control” in the same keyset – you should abbreviate to Ctrl for consistency. (IMO expanding to “Escape” or “command” on 1u or 1.25u keys would look bad.) Shortening to Ctrl also keeps the modifiers more balanced (e.g., Alt, Cmd, and Ctrl are about the same length). Perhaps keep “Control” and “Command” on the larger 1.5u modifiers only.
Additionally, it seems strange/unnecessarily more expensive to have two different colors of the same R4 Fn key in the same TKL kit. The tan Fn key is in both the TKL kit and Monotone kit, and the same R4 Fn key shows up twice in the single Monotone kit. Who is using a keyboard that needs three 1u R4 Fn keys?
Regarding colors, why are the legends on the Tab and Capslock keys both tan/alpha-colored but the rest of the mods are colorful? This is an especially strange since they are next to each other and next to the alphas. IMO those should be in the Monotone kit, and some other colors (e.g., lime green/blue/violet/cyan) should be used for Tab and Lock in the TKL kit.
You could also consider changing “Pa/Br” (on two lines) to simply “Ps Br” (on two lines) or “PsBr” (on one line). It looks weird to have a hanging slash after Pa, and Ps is a better abbreviation of Pause than Pa.
Is there a keyboard that uses R2 Prt Scr from the Extras kit? Seems out of place, especially if there’s not also a R2 PsBr and Scrl Lock. Could be wrong about this one.
Finally, and this is personal preference, but R3 bottom row is impressively superior to R4 bottom row. #ascendtoR3
I love my MT3 set and would love to see this one turn out even better <3
Thanks for your feedback!
The kits are still very much under construction, it is very likely that some keys are left overs from various kit iterations.
Control will probably be “ctrl” on all keys, just making some tests there.
Tan FN is actually needed because I don’t like how a blue FN looks on the right of a green shift key. R2 Print/screen can be useful on 65% keyboards (like the Whitefox).
The padlock has to be redesigned anyway because it’s too small as it is now for doubleshot (same for many other keys, like the Tux).
Regarding the color of tab/capslock etc… it is just how Susuwatari works. I know it’s uncommon but someone has to dare.
I am glad I am not the only one who noticed these. ‘Capslock’ is definitely not one word. On smaller keys either caps or lock would be better than CapsLck. There is surely enough room for Paus Brk?
I think it would be better to have flat (R5) bottom row. Do more people use R4?
R4 has steep negative angle. I tried R4 and it was a bit uncomfortable.
The only question is, when will this drop?
soon™ :)
Also, I’d definitely pay extra for PBT on something like this.
Would absolutely love to see more support out there for 2u shifts! Layouts that utilize this are becoming way more common (mostly in the 60% form factor), and I am a big user of it :)
If you add a pair of blank 1.5u keys you’ll capture a slightly larger chunk of orthos with a single child kit (Atreus, atreus62, minidox). Wouldn’t mind if this was in a small blanks kit, but buying the ergodox kit for this feels silly. :)
Incidentally, if you want to see the beginnings of the research, it’s here: https://old.reddit.com/r/keycapdesigners/comments/97kncp/common_ortho_layouts/
Please don’t overlook monochrome support for the numpad as well.
(I’d love a R3 1.75u Compose, but that’s a rare one, I realize.)
I would love a white on black kit in the future. Also maybe potentially change the font to a more subtle look. Also I would go either icon mods, or just plain text mods. Having both adds too much clutter! Also for being Ghibli themed.. the extras pack is super random. Throw in a totoro or something, or even the soot sprite the set is referencing
it’s not studio ghibli themed!
The kits looks good, the colors are also quite nice. I have some suggestions, however:
– In my opinion, the Monotone option should be in the base kit(s) with an additional kit for the colored mods.
– The font looks unfamiliar, but on the alphas it is quite nice. Yet, I’m not a fan of the mods at all. Maybe all caps mod legends would look better.
– No R5? I vastly preferred the flat bottom row on /dev/tty. Or is it just too expensive for the extra molds?
– Is it actually possible to doubleshot all of these legends? Some, especially on the extras kit, seem to exhibit too fine details.
– Lastly, I know the diamond is your thing. But it just looks so out of place between the all-text mods. I would prefer something like Super, Code, Sys, or basically anything else.
many of the legends need to be redesigned, but I need to know exactly what the manufacturer is capable of. I’m waiting for feedback from them.
R4 would be cheaper, yes but it’s early to rule R5 completely yet.
Interested if the legends are sorted out, text only (preferred) or icons only. The combination looks really busy and cramped.
What i’d really like to see (something I wished was in Dev/TTY) Is the Amiga R4 keys in 1u sizing. I’d love to use them, but I prefer to use a 7u spacebar, so I can’t use the 1.25u ones as it is. Down the road, I would like to see R5 come to double shot, but I can understand the challenge of making double the bottom row molds.
if it depended on me I would make Amiga keys in all sizes :)
In second look, I also liked the uppercase modifiers of /dev/tty, any chance of doing uppercase mods here too?
lowercase gives us a little more horizontal space and also it makes our typeface pop… but I’m not done experimenting with it
Any chance of a Topre version as well as Cherry MX compatible?
I also like the uppercase legends on /dev/tty better than what is shown here.
On another note, how difficult would it be to include a 1.5u R0 esc and delete in one of the kits (Extras?). I realise this will probaby require a new mold and is thus cost-prohibitive…
but on the other hand, it would make MT3 one of the rare (or maybe even the only?) sculpted profile to fully support the Vortex Race3 out of the box, which seems to be a pretty popular board, and I’m sure would make a lot of Race users want to buy a MT3 set…
Some kit feedback:
Overall I think the legends and colours look great.
Much of the appeal of previous MT3 sets for me is the PBT, but I guess ABS is easier to doubleshot..? I hope we will get to see some samples of the surface finish and colours before the drop.
I’m not sure about the mixed case legends, perhaps all caps would look better. It’s mostly PgUp and PgDn that is bothering me.
If you added a couple of row 2, 3 and 4 blanks to the ISO kit you could cover a lot more languages/layouts. My ultimate ISO kit would only have the ISO enters and left shift, plus 2xR2, 3xR3 and 4xR4 blanks. This would enable support for a lot of languages, sans some incorrect sublegends on the numbers, but that doesn’t bother me as much as the alphas.
I’m probably in the minority here, but any chance we could get a R3 Tab in the ortho kit? It won’t stop me from buying, but it’d be nice to have matching legends.
mh never seen a tab over there. Find someone else looking for it and I’ll add it :)
How about R3 Escape for us Vimmers?
I realised that after reading your comment and checking the photos. Yea, would love to have R3 Tab to share the set between ortho boards – 40% (Planck, Niu Mini) and 50% (Preonic, JJ50).
OMG finally some love for Android ! ! ! I just got my round 2 MT3 keycaps and I really want this set now :(
Colors look great! Are the legends on most of the caps white or a yellowish color? I can’t quite tell. But I think white legends would blend a bit better with the set overall. That’s just my opinion though.
they are pale yellow
pale yellow looks good to me
The support for the HHKB layout is a bit inconvenient. It’s unfortunate that the R3 Control is the only missing key from the base kit. I would be forced to get the Extras for a single key.
The monotone set looks best in my eyes. Nice work, I am definitely interested in this set.
this is a good point, but technically HHKB doesn’t run on Cherry, so it would be only to cover some custom. I’ll think about it!
good point, I always use Control instead of CapsLock button.
I’d really like to have the flat R5 instead of R4 for the bottom row. Tried R4 with my /dev/tty set, and it wasn’t nearly as comfortable as R5 was. I’m also not a fan of that Q, but the font looks very nice otherwise. Can’t wait to order this :)
I want R5 too! it is much better than MT3 R4
Really interested in this set, but as a person with oily hands, I’m disappointed that it’s ABS, so I probably can’t use it. Looks gorgeous though!
use dev/tty
Stay tuned, tomorrow I’ll post all the updated kits!
For a UHK (ultimatehackingkeyboard.com) the following non-standard keys are needed:
1.5u R1 Backspace
1u R2 Backslash/VerticalBar
1.75u R3 Return
second 2.25u R4 Shift
2.25u R3 Control (I usually put the standard Return key here because no set exists with a 2.25u Control)
(the right side of the UHK is shorter by 0.5u than on a normal 60% keyboard)
In addition, the UHK has two 1.75u space bars. They only convex bars I can currently find in this width are XDA profile or G20 (flat). 1.75u convex keys do not exist in any other profile.
Lately, 40% kits get close with most of the keys. It’d be awesome if /dev/tty* also supported the UHK for a reasonable price.
we have an additional 2.25u, big keys in weird positions are usually expensive. I don’t think we could have full UHK support on susuwatari, but it could be possible next /dev/tty*
If possible, I’d love to see a completely blank base kit!
Loving the color scheme of this :)
Beautiful! What keyboard would you recommend? I’m in the market for one and would love to use this keyset.
wow… that is a $1m question :) Depends on budget mostly and what size do you need. Have a look at ducky keyboards or vortex if you want a small size one. There’s always the whitefox of course.
What type of keyboard are your renders for this set based on? Or is it a real keyboard?
Please support the Colemak Mod-DH layout. Specifically, the Colemak Mod-DH matrix layout: https://colemakmods.github.io/mod-dh/keyboards.html#matrix-keyboards
Per https://colemakmods.github.io/mod-dh/#colemak-changes , there are three letters on each hand which change rows. So by adding six keys to the Colemak & Dvorak add-on key set, the Susuwatari set would be able to support those of us who like Colemak but actually do something about Colemak’s misplaced D and H keys.
I’ve been searching for the perfect keycap set for a while and I’m totally enamored with the Susuwatari! I know you are looking into developing double shot PBT, but is that just not possible with this set due to the colors? I’m just looking for some help because I’ll either be waiting for your Godspeed to drop again, or for this one to go PBT.
At any rate, keep up the fantastic work!
Paul
Hello !
How are things going ? Everything on schedule ?
Looking forward to get the sets :)
This is an amazing keycaps set. I would be very pleased to see an ISO-PT version of it. It would be my dream keycaps set. Grazie per tutto!
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